The Complete Angler Podcast #53- Jeff Gustafson

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And now, here is your host, Don Lamont.
Back on the podcast, this time his friend Jeff Gustafson.
Gussie had a below average season down south on the Bassmaster Elite Circuit.
The Classic winner in 2023, he plans to get back in the saddle and have a great 2026.
Well, Jeff, thanks for coming again on The Complete Angler podcast.
I think this is the fourth time.
Last time we had you on, you were just getting ready for the, was it the Texas tournament last year, the Bassmaster Classic?
Was that the last time we did? I don’t even remember.
No, we’ve done it a few times.
Yeah, that would, that would probably would have been a good time to do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Episode 43, actually.
Where was that in Texas?
Long Lake or something?
Last year, the Classic was in Texas.
Yeah.
Ray Roberts.
Ray Roberts.
Okay.
Yeah.
How did that go?
Uh, not awesome.
Uh, it was a tough lake.
Uh, we had, we, we had real, it was really windy in practice.
Like most of the practice, I mean, like, like 30 mile an hour plus every day.
And, uh, so it, it, it kind of limited, like you could get in some creeks and hide out a little bit, but it really made it pretty difficult to like get around and, um, cover, you know, everything that you wanted to cover.
So I ended up, uh, the first, I had a decent first day and I think the second day didn’t go as good.
And I, I missed the cut by like a few spots.
Everyone fishes two days in the top 25 fish, the third day in it.
Like I, I, I think I just, I don’t even remember exactly where I finished, but I mean, that one, if you don’t, if you’re not fishing on day three, that’s, uh, you know, not a good weekend.
No, that’s for sure.
Um, so I, uh, asked you to come on the podcast, talk about your, your last elite series, uh, season.
And this is the first time you’ve never made the Bassmaster Classic.
So maybe you could talk a little bit about the season, go through it and, and kind of some of the challenges you were faced with.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, obviously disappointing.
Um, especially cause the classics in Knoxville again next year.
In, in March and obviously I’ve had some success there.
Uh, so it’s a bit of a heartbreaker.
Um, but at the same time, like you can’t pout about it or make excuses.
Um, for me, what I do, I got to catch them, you know, and be consistent.
And over my career, I’ve done pretty well at that.
Um, but yeah, last year, I mean, we got, I got off to a bad start down in Florida, back-to-back tournaments to sort of start the season out.
And they, neither of them went good.
And, and then I think maybe at that point, there’s a lot more pressure, uh, and yeah, I just, it was, it was just like I was fighting it and, and things weren’t just didn’t go my way very well.
So, you know, you, again, you can’t make excuses, uh, if you make excuses, you’re going to get kicked out and be, be, uh, you’re not going to be fishing at that level.
So it’s, it, you know, yeah, it was a tough year.
Um, everybody has them and, um, you know, I, uh, I felt like all, like the best thing for me that I could do outside of like going and spending a lot of time at the lakes that we’re fishing next year, which is just, you know, I live too far away.
It’s just, it’s tough.
And, and, uh, I do love being around home when I get to be at home.
So like, but I, I spent a lot of time in the boat this fall and just working on my game and, and, uh, you know, had a good run in some of the, you know, we have a lot of good bass tournaments in Northwestern Ontario, um, from all through September, uh, the first couple of weekends of October, I think I fished six or seven weekends in a row tournaments and, and had a good run there.
I had one or two that didn’t go the way I wanted, but otherwise, you know, we were right up there and won a few of them.
And, uh, you know, it’s, it’s good practice.
The, the, the events around home here are very competitive and lots of good anglers.
And if, uh, you know, you’re not just showing up and getting lucky and thinking you’re going to win one of them.
So it’s, uh, now I spent a lot of time in the boat this year.
I sold my boat last week.
Um, so there’s still some open water.
Uh, I did get out on the weekend with a friend for a few hours.
We, we musky fished and, um, you know, I’ll probably get out maybe one or two more times.
And some of my buddies that, that are into the musky stuff, but I’m, I’m happy with, with how the fall went.
And, you know, now it’s a couple months from, um, getting back on the road.
I’ll probably, probably leave around the 20th of January.
I think we start fishing, uh, our first tournament’s the second week of February.
So I’ll get down South, um, get my boat rigged up and wrapped and, and just get back into fishing again and, and get ready for, for the start of the season.
It’s, it’s, it’s a little different next year.
Uh, as far as we’re not going to Florida or Texas.
And I think there’s been a few seasons we haven’t fished in Texas, but I think, uh, you know, this is going into my 14 or 15th season.
And it’ll be the first time that we’ve never had a tournament in Florida.
So, uh, a little different there.
I love fishing in Florida, uh, but I don’t really love tournament fishing down there.
I’ve had a few good ones.
Um, but, uh, I’ve had lots of tough ones down there too.
It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s one of those places where, you know, up North we fish fast and cover water looking for biters.
And, and at least that’s the way I do it.
A lot of guys do it.
Uh, and down there, it’s, that’s almost like the cardinal sin to get fishing too fast.
Unless the weather is really nice and hot, which in the winter time, they get cold fronts down there and it, and it makes the fish a little bit tougher to catch.
And if you find these like a hundred yard stretches where they’re at, you know, small areas where the fish are at, it can be so easy.
And if you don’t, it’s, you, you get running around and scrambling around and usually it doesn’t go that well.
So I, you know, I’ve learned a lot of lessons like that the hard way, but it’s, uh, but yeah, it’ll be different.
We’re starting the season at Lake Guntersville in Alabama and, um, it, in February that’s, you know, that’s up North a little bit.
As far as where we usually start, you know, you’re 10 or 12 hours North of Florida there.
So it, uh, it could be cold.
It could be nice.
It’s, it’s sort of hard to tell, but good chance.
It’ll be kind of cold there and there’ll be big fish caught.
Um, it’s a, it, it’s a lake that gets a lot of pressure.
I fished there a lot of days and, and, you know, I’m fairly familiar with it, but, uh, but, but, you know, probably a third or a quarter of our field lives within a couple hours of Guntersville.
So a lot of the guys I’m fishing against have a ton of experience there.
And, and, uh, you know, I bet you at least 10 or 12 of them live right around the lake.
So it’s, uh, it’s a place that, that a lot of the guys know well.
And, um, but there’ll be big fish caught in big bags.
It’ll be kind of exciting.
And then the week out, we have two back to back to start the season.
The second one’s at a place called Lake Martin.
Um, also in Alabama, pretty close to Guntersville, but it’s a spotted bass lake, some largemouths in it.
I’ve never fished it, but I do, um, I really enjoy fishing for spotted bass.
They, they kind of have an attitude similar to like our smallmouths do up North and, and, uh, I’ve, you know, I’ve had some good luck fishing, fishing for spots.
So I, I always try to, um, like Lake Lanier is probably my favorite lake in the South and it’s a spotted bass fishery.
And I, I always try to get there for at least two or three days, um, every year it’s, it’s a lot of fun, but, but yeah, that’s, um, that’s kind of where I’m at right now.
You know, yeah, it was, it was a disappointing season, but it’s over you, you, you know, you try and learn from some of the mistakes and move on.
It was funny to hear you say you’re working on your game plan.
Like I, I fished with you a few times, Jeff, and, uh, your efficiency is incredible.
The amount of time that takes you to tie on a lure and have all your equipment ready.
And, uh, if you tell you, if you, if you, if you tell me to get my lure and you’re not kidding because you got about five seconds and then you got the, you got the boat going.
So, so when you, maybe some anglers out there that don’t fish tournaments and especially on a very elite level like you do, what, what, what do you try and improve on?
Um, I mean, I mean, for me, it’s a lot of just repetition and doing it, you know, and, and like working with techniques that I are not really part of my arsenal, but that I, I feel like I need to include like some bigger baits, swim baits.
Um, and you don’t think of that stuff like around home using it, but I, I caught some big bass in some of the tournaments this fall around home on big, you know, six inch, seven inch, um, big swim baits.
And big top waters, just different stuff like that.
Like part of the, part of the, like rut that I feel like I get into a little bit is I could go out here and catch a hundred fish every day on a Ned rig and a smelt nader and a minnow, you know, and like, but that does, I don’t learn a lot from that.
I don’t like, when I go fishing, I never go to places like if I’m fun fishing, um, I never go to places where I know I can catch fish.
I don’t learn anything from that.
And, you know, I do a little bit of guiding and I fish tournaments and stuff.
So like on Lake of the woods, Shoal Lake, like the places I fish in the tournaments, I never fish them in practice, nor do I fish them.
Like when I’m fun fishing, I, you know, like some of the large mouth spots and, and, uh, good, you know, like the good, my favorite, like spots, I save them for the days when I want to go there and catch them.
And, uh, you know, I, I’m always constantly looking for new, new ways to catch fish, new areas that might pop up and be hot.
And, uh, you know, I think that’s how you, you get better.
And, and I think one of the things like if you fish tournaments that makes you better as well as, is you’re forced to go in conditions that you probably wouldn’t go out in.
If you’re a fun fishing, windy, raining, cold, whatever it might be hot.
And, uh, and that’s, you know, that kind of makes your, improve your game as well.
But like, yeah, I just, there’s obviously like constantly new baits and techniques that, that pop up.
And for me, I got to stay on top of all that stuff or you, you just fall behind.
And, um, at the level I’m fishing at anymore, I mean, it’s changed a lot in the last like three or four years, you know, partly because of the electronics have gotten so good.
The mapping’s so good. Um, I mean, I hardly fish, you, you, you almost don’t fish anything that’s obvious anymore because it’s, it gets, it gets pounded and fished.
And like, if you can put your bait in front of fish that haven’t seen a lure, they’re going to be really easy to catch any species.
And if you’re, you know, if you’re fishing and they’re really hard to catch, usually it’s because they’ve gotten pressured and, and they’ve seen some baits and they’ve been caught.
And so you’re, you know, for me, I’m always looking for, you know, new, new ways and, and, uh, in new areas.
And, um, so that’s, that’s just spending a lot of time in the boat.
That’s how you, you, that’s the best way to, to get better for sure.
And, and, um, you know, I’m lucky I live, live in Kenora and, um, and close to the lake.
I have access to the lake, you know, pretty easily.
So sometimes it’s going out for, you know, just launch at first light in the morning and fish till lunchtime.
And sometimes it’s go up in the afternoon and fish till dark.
And sometimes it’s, if, if I, I get lucky and I don’t have any, um, commitments, I’m, I’m no happier than when I get to launch and fish from dark to dark.
Like if I go out pretty fishing or I’m by myself, I mean, I, I love, um, being out there for a long day and, and, uh,
that’s, that’s, that’s just it.
That’s the reality of, uh, you know, fishing at a, at a high level competitively.
Um, I mean, the guys have gotten so good.
It’s, it’s crazy.
I mean, if you just have a, a mediocre day, uh, you’re going to be in, you know, near last place.
It’s, uh, it’s crazy how much it’s changed from, you know, eight or 10 years ago, even six or seven years ago, when I started on the elite series, like you could, you could catch a half decent limit.
A couple of days in a row, make the cut, make some money.
Life’s good.
And now, um, if you do that, you’re going to be in 80th or 90th place, which is how my season went last year for a lot of the events.
What I saw that it’s happened in the U S is the education system at an early age.
So they have the high school teams, they have the university college teams.
And when these guys like the golfers, when these guys get on the pro level tour, they know what the hell they’re doing.
They know what they’re doing.
Um, they’ve been to all, they’ve been to a lot of the lakes and they know all the techniques.
I mean, the, the, the internet and YouTube is really exposed.
Um, there, I mean, there’s no secrets really, very few secrets anymore.
Um, and, uh, yeah, these guys are just like, it’s at such a young age.
I mean, when I started doing this and I’ve seen it over the years, like when, when these new guys get to like the pro level,
usually very few have like, just walked in and started, you know, and been kind of dominant.
And most of those guys are like hall of fame, legend caliber type guys.
And now I think the last two years, you know, we get 10 new, new anglers on the elite series every year and 10 get kicked out.
And the last two years, like two years ago, I think nine of the 10 made the classic.
And last year, I want to say, uh, seven or eight of them made the classic.
And that’s, you know, prior to that, I mean, if two or three, two or three, maybe four would make it out of those 10 new guys.
Um, so yeah, it’s, it’s changed in that regard quite a bit.
And, uh, you know, it’s, but again, you, for me, it’s, I got to go and show up and catch fish and do my job and I’ll have no problems.
But yeah, I don’t want to definitely don’t want to make a habit of like how last year went.
And, um, you know, I finished in the eighties and points and you got to make the top 40 to, to make the classic.
So it was, you know, yeah, it was disappointing, but you, you, you got to just like keep your head up.
Like for me, I keep my head up and, you know, whether you have a bad event or a good event, the, after it’s over, you know, the next day, you know, yesterday doesn’t really matter.
It’s, uh, you got to, you know, perform at a pretty high level every day.
Well, that’s the mental part of the game.
Right.
And a lot of people don’t understand that if they get on themselves and try and beat themselves up all the time, it never works no matter what sport it is.
Or if it’s at your workplace, you just gotta, you know, keep pushing ahead and say, okay, if I learn from my mistakes, I’m good.
And, uh, just try and rectify everything.
So on that point, I think a lot of the people are probably listening to this podcast.
We’d like to hear, um, you talk about some of the new baits that you’ve been working with this year and, and maybe that they should be trying.
Well, I think like for me, um, the big trend now is like with, with the jig heads, especially.
And like, you know, I work with Northland tackle quite a bit and the big trend is like tungsten, tungsten jig heads.
They’re a lot more expensive in our part of the world.
Um, you know, you’re going to lose some to pike and, and, and snags down South.
There’s no pike.
There’s, you know, you now using the forward sonar, you can kind of like avoid getting snagged a little bit more as far as like.
Knowing where your bait is and, and, and staying in contact with it and stuff.
But like, uh, yeah, we’ve got tungsten smeltenators and net heads and ball heads.
Um, so they show up a little bit better on your sonar.
That’s one of the advantages of it.
And then smaller profile.
So it matches up with some of the plastics a little bit better on your jig heads.
Um, but that’s one thing I’ve been playing around with a bit the last few months, as far as like different baits and stuff.
Um, you know, if you look back on some of my social media from the last couple of months, I posted quite a few pictures of like some of the ciscos and smelt that the smallmouth spit up.
And like some of them are six, seven and eight inch minnows, like big baits.
So it’s, uh, there’s a lot of power in those bigger baits for, for being able to like pull fish out of deeper water off the bottom, get their attention.
You know, often when the fishing’s a little bit tough, we, uh, we, we want to just immediately go smaller and think finesse.
And that’s part of it too.
There’s, I’m going to get to that in a minute, but like, uh, yeah, we, my, my friend Dennis Faber and I won a tournament on Shoal Lake in September.
And, uh, it was, it was really fun because we, you know, for the last like 20 years out there in this, they’ve had, they have a tournament in July and one in September.
And I, that’s, they’re, that’s probably one of my favorite lakes to fish tournaments on just because it’s, it’s got a lot of options.
It’s pretty big.
And I’ve, you know, I’ve spent a lot of time out there since I was a kid, but we, uh, I always fish for largemouths out there and something’s going on.
And I think there’s like too many walleyes in the, the, it’s hurt the, something’s hurt the largemouth fishery out there.
And, um, there’s a lot of water.
I mean, I don’t know that it’s necessarily pressure that obviously would have some effect on it, but, uh, but the weeds were really nice and in parts of the lake that have them.
But anyway, the largemouth fishing hasn’t been that good.
It’s burned us a little bit in the last few years.
So we’ve really just focused on smallmouths this fall in that, in that event.
And, uh, but we caught quite a few fish on like big baits and, um, using six and seven inch jerk shads, uh, big topwaters and swim baits.
And, um, we would pull fish out of, you know, 20 plus feet of water with these big swim baits and they’re a foot or two under the surface.
It was pretty cool to watch the fish come up on the sonar and, um, you know, you could cast like smaller baits at them and they’d almost like, you could, you could catch them too, but like you’d get a lot more follows.
And it seemed like if you could really get them to commit and, and take a run at your big bait, you know, higher up in the water column, that was how we caught a lot of the bigger fish.
So that was, that was something different and new.
Um, and then at the same, you know, the opposite end of that, uh, the finesse side.
Um, the little dice baits, fuzzy baits have gotten really popular and a big, big part of my arsenal.
Um, I, I’ve, you know, last few years I’ve been making my own baits, uh, but Z man’s got some now that, that have, uh, they’ve got a little dice bait, um, a Ned rig bait, and then kind of a midsize bait that you could use on a Ned head or on a drop shot.
And, uh, you know, weighed a lot of fishing in the tournaments around home this, this year on those, those style of baits as well, which are kind of ultra finesse.
Yeah.
I, uh, I saw those on your Instagram account.
So I posted it on the fishing report.
And, uh, so if, if, if, uh, if our listeners are looking for that, go to, what’s your Instagram, uh, Instagram account, Jeff?
Uh, Gussie outdoors.
Okay.
I mean, you’d be fine on there.
Yeah, you are.
You’re very easy.
But yeah, it’s, uh, you know, you just, at the same time though, like I said earlier, you know, a Ned rig and a, a, a smeltinator and a jerk shad.
I mean, those are baits that I’ve used for a long time.
They’re on my deck all the time and I catch, you know, more fish on those than anything, but you, you definitely, um, try to stay on top of the trends and the new stuff just to, so it’s so important now in like tournament fishing,
just like that extra bite or two can be a big difference, um, you know, anymore.
And, and like I said, the guys around here, it’s very competitive.
And if, if, uh, you know, you’re not, you’re not sort of staying on top of all that stuff, you’re, you’re, you know, you’re not going to win.
Yeah.
You’re very lucky in that regard.
You got such high level competition around where you live and, uh, that’s, that’s pretty rare.
I mean, but you’re also fortunate that you got some of the best smallmouth fishing in the world, right out your back door too.
Yep.
No, for sure.
And that’s so, so yeah, I, I, I did a lot of fishing this fall and, and, you know, had, I, uh, I got on a good, really good pike bite and I, and I’ve been doing that for quite a few years in the fall, but we had a couple of really good days.
And, and, and caught a lot of big pike and, you know, using the forward sonar to catch those a little bit on top of, you know, casting and jerk dates and that sort of thing.
But did some of that.
I, I musky fished a couple of days.
I, I got one good day in crappie fishing.
Um, just sort of last day I had my boat.
I didn’t do as much of that as I normally would, but had a good day doing that.
I questioned on that one.
I saw that and I said, is that where we did that show?
No, no, this was a new, new zone that I knew it’s a small lake that I’d found.
And.
Oh, okay, cool.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, they’re nice.
It, the cool thing out here, I mean, in sunset country, if you can find like crappies that haven’t been pressured or beat up, you know, they’re easy to catch and they’re big ones and it’s pretty fun.
And, but they’re the easiest fish we have in our lakes to clean out.
I mean, they just, they, it’s tough because 90% of them congregate in the same area.
Same places for, you know, in a, you know, in a lake or a bay and you know, it’s a lot of people can’t release them and they got to keep their limits.
And it’s, I don’t know how many, the place where you and I caught them that time.
I haven’t caught much of any in there in the last like five or six years.
It just, they, they, they, uh, they get pressured and, and they, they have a tough time, but so yeah, if you find a good crappie spots, keep them to yourself.
And, uh, good point.
And, and, and, and they also, you know, if you’re catching them deeper than 20 feet, you can’t let them go.
You can throw them back, but they don’t live.
They, they have a hard time out of deep water.
So you got to kind of keep them and, and, uh, you know, in the spring, when they come up shallow, you can catch and release all you want.
But yeah, that’s the other thing that make it in our part of the world.
That’s sort of tough is if when you catch them in the fall, in the winter, um, you know, you just, if you sit there and pound and catch them all, then you’re just, that’s, I think, more so than just people keeping their limits is you.
That’s really kind of hard on them.
Yeah, no doubt.
So, uh, you’re 43 now, Jeff, you’ve been doing this a long time.
Um, how, how hard is it to do all that travel on you these days?
Yeah, I mean, that’s the least glamorous part of what I do for sure is, is it’s a lot of time on the road and away from home.
And I’m lucky, like my wife Shelby travels with me for most of the events, most of the season.
We, we, uh, on the elite series, it’s nine events and we have another couple from Oklahoma that we travel with and we rent an Airbnb for the week at the different fisheries that we go to.
Nice.
And, uh, so that, that makes life a lot better that, that Shelby can come.
And, um, so the girls get along really good and, um, they, you know, they have fun.
So they’re both able to kind of work from, from on the road.
And, uh, you know, that, that definitely makes it better, but that’s the least glamorous part of it for sure.
There is, and especially like where I live, it’s not the most convenient place to like competitively fish in the U S most of the events are down South or out in New York.
And I mean, New York has unbelievable fishing, bass fishing, um, those, the Lake Champlain and the St. Lawrence river Cayuga Lake.
And there’s like a bunch of other ones.
So it’s, I love going out there.
It’s really, it’s really a lot of fun, but it’s like a 25 to 25 plus hour drive to get to those places.
Well, Lake of the woods.
So not that convenient.
And, you know, I’ve had everything break that could over the years on my truck and trailers and, um, and that’s just part of, part of it.
But, but at the same time, I mean, I love it.
I’ve had a lot of good opportunities because of, of, you know, chasing the competitive fishing dream.
And, and I’ve had, you know, some pretty good fortune along the way too.
So like, I, you know, I, I like, I’ve been lucky.
I don’t, I don’t regret, um, you know, choosing the path that I have, but, uh, but yeah, it’s, it’s, uh, it, there’s a lot of aspects of it that it’s a job too.
Um, I’ve had really good sponsors and have had a lot of really good sponsors over the years, but that’s, you know, it’s a, it’s way more of a grind now than it, than it used to be.
Um, and, you know, everybody has higher expectations and, uh, you know, you, it’s, it’s, it, it, it’s nothing’s guaranteed.
And, you know, uh, so that’s, you know, that’s challenging too, a little bit, but, uh, and that, and probably the part of it that I, that I sort of don’t like is, you know, more than anything else.
But, but again, I’m, I’m pretty lucky and, you know, I have a lot of awesome support, but it’s, you know, some of it’s, it’s, some of it is, is, is a battle for sure too.
Well, it’s, uh, actually a shame that you’re not going back to Knoxville.
I was fortunate enough with my friend, Darren, to come down and, and cover you in that event.
And it’s one of the, uh, one of the memories I’ll have for the rest of my life.
And I’ve been in this industry for 43 years, so it was pretty special, Jeff, to see you win.
Yeah, no, it was, I’ll be, I’ll be back there again.
Obviously, um, there, there’s a huge expo that goes on at the, well, the tournament’s going on.
So pretty well, all of my sponsors are going to have, uh, some sort of, uh, you know, booth or presence there.
So I’ll be there all weekend and, um, you know, I, I’ve won two events there and, you know, there’s, I’m sure I’ll, I’ll have some good opportunities and it’ll be, it’ll be fun to, fun to be there too.
But it’s, it is a heartbreaker that I don’t get to fish cause it’s, it’s obviously a special place to me, but, um, but yeah, no, I’m glad you guys came down for that.
But it was, uh, it was a pretty, pretty awesome week and like, you know, like the way it all kind of, I got lucky that it worked out the way it did.
And, um, but yeah, it’s, uh, that’s the, I still have, you know, it’s been a couple of years now, almost three years.
And I still, uh, have moments where I’m like, I can’t believe that I won the Bassmaster Classic, that that actually happened.
And it’s the biggest Bass tournament that, that there is.
And, uh, you know, so my goal for, for 2026 is just to make sure I get back in again, you know, for the, for the 2027 season.
Well, Jeff, uh, I know that all our listeners and people that follow you are wishing you the best of luck for 2026.
Yeah, I appreciate it.
And I, uh, I know I get a lot of messages and all the Canadian guys that, that fish on the Elite Series.
There’s five of us now and we all, you know, when we, when we have a good event and do well, we, we hear the support and, uh, it’s, it is pretty, pretty cool for sure.
So well-deserved on my dad.
Well, it’s, it’s good.
And, um, you know, for there’s, there’s a few more Canadian guys that are, that are trying to get down there and do it, do it.
And like, uh, you know, you just, yeah, for anyone that, that, that loves it and, and has a shot at it.
I mean, the best advice I’ve been sort of feel like I can give people is if you want to get into that and do it, go do it.
Don’t wait.
And, you know, Cooper Gallant is one of the newer Canadian guys from, you know, the last few years.
And he’s still like 26 or 27 years old.
I’m so jealous that he got started at such a young age to, to get into this.
You know, I was like, I think 27 or 28 when I sort of went down the first time and, and, uh, you know, it’s, but that’s, that’s the best advice I could give you is don’t wait.
Um, go get after it.
If you think that’s what you want to do.
Okay, Jeff.
Well, I want to thank you for coming on the show again and, uh, we’ll talk soon.
Okay, Don.
Thanks guys.
Thanks for tuning in.
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